A Very Public Failure

Dan Goldin

01.31.20

Dan Goldin's approach at NASA was to create many smaller missions that could be launched faster, better, and cheaper. It produced incredible results, saved billions, and made the occasional failure more tolerable. But taking the blame is still not easy -- especially with the whole world watching.

Summary:

Dan Goldin’s approach at NASA was to create many smaller missions that could be launched faster, better, and cheaper. It produced incredible results, saved billions, and made the occasional failure more tolerable. But taking the blame is still not easy — especially with the whole world watching.

Failure is never easy — even when occasional failures are factored into the plan. Dan Goldin talks with Keith Krach about his faster, better, cheaper approach at NASA. It led to some great successes and saved billions, but failure is still tough to take credit for.

Keith_Krach

Keith Krach

So we were talking about the penalty of leadership and good leaders who have great scars. I've got a lot of ’em. Talk to me about some of your battle scars.
Dan_Goldin

Dan Goldin

Well, this one happens to be NASA.
Keith_Krach

Keith Krach

Okay.
Dan_Goldin

Dan Goldin

And it was very, very public. The interesting thing is if one has a failure, it sticks within the family but when you're out there, the whole world knows. I pushed faster, better, cheaper. My failure was I never quite explained it so people actually understood.

The concept of faster, better, cheaper is instead of building giant things that get launched infrequently, each of which costs a lot of money, so you almost have to guarantee success, is to chop it up into a lot of smaller things and do them faster, so you could afford a failure. That was how we were able to bring down the time, the development time, the cycle time, and the average cost per system. But you need one to two failures out of ten to get there.

We launched a shuttle, everyone that went to space came back safely. We had this wonderful mission to Mars. We landed the first robot ever to deploy on Mars. And it was a spectacular success. So we kept achieving and I wanted more, and I didn't know the limitations so I said, we cut the price and we cut the time with Pathfinder. The prior mission in then year dollars was three billion and the time was ten years. We did it in a little under 300 million in three years. So I said, okay, let's squeeze a little bit more. So we then had the next series of missions to Mars, both of them failed.
Keith_Krach

Keith Krach

Wow.
Dan_Goldin

Dan Goldin

It was major news all over the place, but it was okay. Because instead of spending billions, we spent hundreds of millions.
Keith_Krach

Keith Krach

Right.
Dan_Goldin

Dan Goldin

I flew out to California, I took the team that did so great on the Pathfinder mission but failed on this other mission. I took them to dinner and I said, I don't want you to stop but we need to be a little more cautious and I pushed you too hard. I'm responsible for the failure. Now this is before the whole damn world! (chuckles) I had to admit that and we called the press conference the next day and in front of the whole JPL team I stood in front of ten, fourteen cameras, the whole media, and I said I was responsible. I pushed the limits too hard because I wanted to save more money and more time. I didn't sleep that night.
Keith_Krach

Keith Krach

That took courage.
Dan_Goldin

Dan Goldin

It hurt. And to this day people still don't understand faster, better, cheaper.