For a long time. I mean, I couldn't ask for a better mentor. And it was right, perfect time, we had just taken Ariba public, and I'll never forget, he goes, "Keith, you can ask me any question, any question you want." And I did. I remember when I was going in, this has been about a year, we meet every month for breakfast. And I pop in there, he goes, "Keith, I know what you're thinking. I know what you're thinking." And I go, "John, what am I thinking?" He goes, "Why am I doing this? Why am I doing this?" I go, "As a matter of fact, I was getting ready to go, like why does John Chambers do this? I'm so lucky." He says, "I'll tell you why. You see, when I moved out from Boston, I came out from Lang. I didn't know shit from Shinola. And see, I had somebody mentored me. I had mine, God bless his soul. And I asked him, I said, 'Why are you doing this for me? Why are you doing this for me?' He said, 'Because somebody did this for me.' So Keith, all I ask is you do for somebody else." He goes, "And Keith, that is the magic of Silicon Valley."
And what a great inspiration. There's a great genealogy in terms of these mentor networks that have spread, you know, you can see it in Silicon Valley. I think you look at a company like Ariba, we spawned 10 public company CEOs, right? So it's a great thing.