In this episode, Ellie sits with the director of the Center of Tech Diplomacy at Purdue University and former USAID deputy administrator Bonnie Glick.

The two discuss why a Chinese victory in the race to 5G poses great risks to global human-rights violations; why government leaders need to understand technology to get their jobs done; and how USAID pivoted to women’s advancement and confronting the Center of Tech Diplomacy (CCP) under the Trump administration.